Saturday, May 27, 2006

Have you heard about the AIIMS quota?


Me neither, until I read Mom Knows Everything:

The main grouse of AIIMS students - at the forefront of the stir against 27% reservation for OBCs - is that merit is being sacrificed at the altar of votebank politics. But they forget two things: 25% reservation that AIIMS graduates get in PG admission and the Supreme Court judgment of 2001 that declares the earlier system of 33% reservation for them bad in law.

Read the whole story, there is more there ;-). Like, how the AIIMS quota enabled an AIIMS student with a lower score than an SC student to get a 'better' specialization in the PG course ...

I just found it too juicy to pass up ...

7 Comments:

  1. Doctor Bruno said...

    For those who do not know the difference, let me explain

    Now if seats are reserved on the basis of caste, let us assume that a Student from FC will get the seat if he scores 297 out of 300 where as a student from SC will get the seat even if he scores 291 out of 300 (these are the cut off values from MBBS Admission in Tamil Nadu in 2005)

    So far the apartheid guys were shouting loud that merit will be affected. There were even remarks from few of those “intelligent” chaps that a guy who scored 292 (SC guy who has got seat) is less talented (or less meritorious – let me repeat the word play) than the forward caste guy who scored 296 (and there fore cannot get the seat as the OC cut off is 297). There were even few remarks as to "whether you will go to a OBC guy fro treatment, let the politicians be treated by OBC etc"

    But now they WANT QUOTA ON ECONOMY. So they have no problem when a poor guy with mark 292 gets the seat while a rich guy with mark 296 does not get the seat. And strangely, in this case, (according to these doctors and also a person called Narayana moorthy, for whom I had great regard, until he too advised economy based quota) the merit is not affected when quota is based on economy.

    Now I am not able to understand this……

    If the earlier claim that merit is going to be affected by reservation based on caste is true, then merit is going to be affected if the quota is based on economy or for that matter any other reason like the state of domicile (Delhi – 100 percent reservation for Delhi Undergraduates) , Religion (eg Andhra Pradesh) , college graduated (eg JIPMER and in AIIMS where a undergraduate of AIIMS with rank 300 can get MD Gen Med while a undergraduate from other college has less than half a dozen seats)

    So a person whose primary aim is preservation of merit should NOT ALLOW ANY QUOTA.

    But See the Delhi Doctors.

    They have gone on Mass CL today. They do not want a SC student getting 292 marks get MBBS. But they were silent when Private colleges were started that made any person, even those who passed 12th after 3 attempts get MBBS. What were they doing when the private colleges were opened? They did not even give a sign of protest. Do those AIIMS guys think that we all are fools to believe that they are crusading for merit at present? What were they doing for those sponsored seats and NRI quotas

    They have no problem when some one gets MBBS from Private College even though he gets 50 marks in 12th. They never fought. It was Tamil Nadu students who had always fought against the private medical colleges

    They have no problem of a student getting low marks in PG entrance in AIIMS, but getting MD Gen just because he studied MBBS there. At that juncture they never represented to PM or President

    And as per the latest statement, they have no problem if a poor guy who gets 292 marks become a doctor while a rich guy who gets 296 has to watch

    BUT THEY ARE WORRIED when a SC Guy (or a OBC Guy) who takes 292 marks get admission instead of a Forward Community guy who gets 296.

    SO in effect, all these hullabaloo over the past two weeks were not against reservations. It is in fact against the students from the reserved community.

    They were not fighting for merit as they were claiming (we already knew that merit is a mask) They fight to maintain apartheid

  2. barbarindian said...

    Abi,

    It is hardly juicy. Everyone knows this and it was discussed in other blogs. I will just recycle a comment I made on another blog:

    Please do not denigrate the medicos for the "quota" that you described. Let me ask you, a student with 8/10 GPA from IIT and another 9/10 from an NIT - who is better?

    The AIIMS admission policy is completely in line with what you should expect - preferential treatment of students who:
    a) proved their mettle in gaining entry through a tougher test
    b) attended a better college
    c) got his 8 GPA fighting against aces (not to mention in an undiluted curriculum still unsullied by a 50% reservation)

  3. abhinav said...

    What a cool story! At least this way , every dirty linen is being cleaned in public, every piece of information being transmitted to everybody.

  4. Vishnu said...

    a student with 8/10 GPA from IIT and another 9/10 from an NIT - who is better?

    Can't say who is better. Some people think that the IIT student is better.

  5. barbarindian said...

    Vishnu,

    It was an imperfect example, I agree. By the way, for post graduate courses in engineering this sort of a quota does not exist. For medical studies there is a fundamental problem, most doctors need a post graduate degree anyway.

    I do not see how AIIMS can operate its PG courses without this sort of quotas. Clearly if MBBS grades are used, all seats will be filled by TN graduates with their 99% and above marks.

    A side point, we do not really know the full distribution of grades. I suppose the bottom students of AIIMS likely score less than some students elsewhere.

  6. Doctor Bruno said...

    WHo told that Students from Tamil Nadu score 99 percent in MBBS...

    Please verify the facts

    Why are you, my dear friend, not at all ashamed about writing factual errors continously.....

    Why can't you verify the facts before posting.....

  7. amit said...

    all these r outside views without knowing the ground reality. let me clarify..
    1. THERE R NO QUOTAS FOR AIIMS GRADUATES IN AIIMS PG ENTRANCE.
    2. WHAT THESE PEOPLE GET IS 50% PREFERNCE WHICH MEANS THAT IF THERE R 70 PG SEATS IN OPEN CAT IRRESPECTIVE OF THE SPECIALITY ONCE THE COUNSELLING FOR OPEN RANK 35 IS OVER THESE PEOPLE GET CHANCE TO CHOOSE SEAT FROM THE REMAINING SEATS.
    3. AS U MIGHT BE KNOWING THE ACTUAL CREAM CLINICAL SEATS IN ANY AIIMS ENTRANCE EXAM IS NOT MORE THAN 30 SO IT OESNT BENEFIT THEM MUCH.SO IF A AIIMS GRADUATE HAS TO TAKE MEDICINE THEN HE HAS TO BE WITHIN TOP 10.
    4. ANOTHER THING ABOUT AIIMSONIANS TAKING AWAY QOUTA SEATS, THATS SAID BY THE TOI ARTICLE WHICH IS COPMLETELY FALSE.
    5. IN AIIMS COUNSELLING THE SC/ST COUNSELLING TAKES PLACE BEFORE GEN CAT SO NOBODY CAN TOUCH THOSE SEATS.
    6. ANOTHER THING ABOUT AIIMS GRADUATE GETTING A SEAT DESPITE THEY FAIRING WORSE THAN SC/ST CAT IS NOT SEEN AT ALL. I HAVE ATTENDED ANS SEEN AT LEAST 6 AIIMS COUNSELLINGS AND IN ALL THE TOPPER IN SC/ST WAS RANKED ABOVE 170-300 AND WORST AIMS GRADUATE RANK WAS 300. BUT THE DIFF IS THAT TJE SC/ST WILL STIIL GET A CLINICAL SEAT WHERE AS AIIMS GUY WILL GET ONLY NONCLINICAL.