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Tuesday, May 01, 2012

IIT-BHU!


IT-BHU, my alma mater, has become an IIT. The day this decision gets the Presidential assent, it will start its new life under the name of IIT-BHU [*].

I presume the celebrations started at IIT-BHU yesterday, immediately after the Rajya Sabha passed the relevant Bill. I don't know how the students there celebrate these days; if it's anything like my days there (early 1980s), it would have involved bhang, and lots of it; in which case, the students are unlikely to be sober for several days to come ...

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It's a big day for the IT-BHU Global, the online community of alumni, which had invested a lot of time and effort into keeping track of the progress of this all-important Bill.

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This move will help IIT-BHU attract higher ranked JEE candidates. The IIT tag will also help attract graduate students in greater numbers.

In the long run, though, the biggest impact will be on the faculty. The funding levels should see a significant jump: new equipment, better campus infrastructure, bigger funds for maintenance and upkeep. Faculty have a lot of wonderful stuff to look forward to.

All in all, a tremendously positive change for everyone at IIT-BHU.

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For BHU, however, this change is a net loss [this concern was also the source of some last minute resistance that HRD Minister Kapil Sibal needed to overcome]. An important chunk of this great university -- one of India's very few "Real Universities" -- will get separated physically, and perhaps even intellectually, from its parent. If the IIT campus is going to be distinct from the rest of the university (but within the current BHU campus) with a wall in between, it will also mean a disfiguring of its beautiful, semi-circular campus. If its school of medicine -- IMS, which is at the other end of the campus -- also gets its wish to be elevated to an AIIMS, BHU will end up watching yet another high profile unit fly away from its control.

It'll be interesting to watch how BHU responds to this move.

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The state of Uttar Pradesh is now home to two IITs. Watch out for states like Kerala and Karnataka to renew their demand for an IIT with greater insistence.

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[*] The legislation meant for the conversion of IT-BHU into IIT-BHU was also one meant for ratifying the eight new IITs that started their operations (and academic sessions) in 2008 and 2009. The Bill needed several years to wind its way through the government ministries and was passed last year in the Lok Sabha. But it faced some last minute efforts (by politicians as well as some sections within BHU) to block it. It finally got the 'yes' vote in the Rajya Sabha yesterday.

Friday, July 31, 2009

The long journey to IIT-BHU


The journey from IT-BHU to IIT-Varanasi IIT-BHU has been full of unexpected hurdles. This report suggests that a major hurdle has been cleared taking the institution a long step closer to the destination:

The Telegraph: Deal breaks deadlock, BHU closer to IIT tag

Banaras Hindu University’s engineering wing can retain the name of its parent varsity even after being cleaved into an independent IIT, the Centre has accepted, clearing a major roadblock in the execution of a long-promised upgrade.

Charu Sudan Kasturi's report sounds as if the change-over (aka "upgrade") will happen soon. That should be good news to the folks (IT-BHU Global and their allies) who have been involved in getting this done.

Friday, March 25, 2011

IT-BHU takes one more step towards becoming an IIT


This is a major milestone:

Lok Sabha Passes Bill to Provide IIT Status to 8 Institutes, BHU

The Lok Sabha today passed a bill to provide status of IIT to eight new institutes and upgrade BHU's institute of technology into IIT with government asserting that steps were being taken to address shortage of faculty and quality of higher education.

[Disclosure: I am an alumnus of IT-BHU.]

There's one more step -- Rajya Sabha's approval -- before the conversion of IT-BHU into an IIT becomes a legal reality.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005

New IITs, IIMs?


If we believe this ET story, there seems to be some momentum for upgrading seven engineering colleges to the IIT status.

An anonymous commenter points to yet another well-argued article by S.S. Vasan in the Hindu that makes a strong case for IT-BHU's efforts to become IIT-Varanasi.

Vasan, whose article on the entrance exams we had an occasion to link to earlier, is an alumnus of our Institute, and we have even chatted a few times during his masters days. It is nice to see him take an active interest in education in India.

I presume this news will put these IT-BHU folks in a happy frame of mind. On the other hand, may be not. By now, they have probably seen many highs, and as many lows, in IT-BHU's quest for IIT-hood.

[ Full disclosure: I got my undergraduate degree from IT-BHU. I believe that IT deserves to be made an IIT simply because of its long association with the JEE (see these two recent Rediff articles that make the case quite convincingly, using many other arguments). In my view, it is rather unfortunate that the fate of IT is being tied to that of the other colleges. ]

As for the merits of upgrading a few engineering colleges to the IIT status, people have mixed feelings; and, I expect the powerful IIT lobby to oppose this move. I would say creating more IITs is a good thing (but not enough) simply because India needs many more high quality colleges to educate its hundreds of thousands of high quality students coming out of its high schools.

It would make me even more happy if the government takes its blinkers off, and looks at other disciplines, too. Not only does India need good, well trained engineers, doctors and managers, it also needs good, well trained scientists, economists, sociologists, psychologists, linguists, historians and philosophers. Our largely hub-and-spoke type university system does a poor job of providing good, solid education to large numbers of students in these other disciplines. The key phrase here is "large numbers"; so, those of you who think they got good education in some islands of excellence in the present system may please hold off on your flames.

Bottomline: creating more IITs is fine, but we need more 'real universities', too!

Tuesday, September 08, 2009

The road to IIT-BHU


Another milestone has been crossed:

Human resource development minister Kapil Sibal has cleared the last roadblock to the conversion of Banaras Hindu University’s engineering wing into an IIT, accepting an administrative umbilical chord threatening to strangle the promised upgrade.

Sibal has accepted a BHU demand that its vice-chancellor be made a co-chairman on the board of governors of the proposed IIT to be created by cleaving the 93-year old university.

Top government officials confirmed to The Telegraph that Sibal yesterday signed his approval on the BHU demand, ending over three years of hectic bargaining between the university and the Centre.

Friday, July 18, 2008

It's raining IITs


The Cabinet ... approved creation of 30 faculty posts per year in the first three years of establishment of each of the new IITs, besides approving the posts of a director and registrar. A decision was also taken to raise the grade of all existing IIT directors to Rs 26,000 (fixed) from Rs 25,000 now.

It's official! The creation of eight new IITs is a done deal; they are going to be in Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, Punjab, Orissa, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, and Madhya Pradesh. The first six will start their academic session this year itself, while the last two will start in 2009-10.

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In a much awaited development, the Cabinet also approved the conversion of the Institute of Technology at the Banaras Hindu University (IT-BHU) into an IIT. I don't know what the official abbreviation of this IIT is, but Sanjay Dani, an IT-BHU alumnus, created a Facebook group for IIT-Varanasi -- two weeks ago! (And I ended up becoming the second member of this group ;-) It already has over 160 members.

Update: There's quite a bit of celebration over at the ITBHUGlobal.org site. Animesh sounds a "cautiously optimistic" note, though:

Sadly, I have been badly burnt multiple times on this, and would wait for the proverbial cup to get to the proverbial lip :).

Cautiously optimistic ...

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Here's the press release from the Press Information Bureau.

Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Bala


It is with profound sadness that I note the passing away of Prof. R. Balasubramanian of IIT-K -- Bala to those who knew him.

Bala was a year senior to us in our Department (of Metallurgical Engineering at IT-BHU), so we knew him quite well. Not only was he the topper of his class, he excelled in many other spheres -- he was a good cricketer (I believe he played in the IT team) and he was the drummer -- a flamboyant one at that! -- in one of the rock groups. As the Gymkhana President, he organized the the biggest and the most spectacular Kashi Yatra -- IT-BHU's cultural festival -- of our era.

In our IT-BHU lives, Bala was a hero, a leader, and a rock star!

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After grad school, and back in Indian academia, I met Bala at many events -- mainly conferences and thesis examinations. I'm indebted to him for his support when I applied for a faculty position at IIT-K.

While we didn't work in the same area, I was always aware of Bala's work -- primarily because of its popular science component.

Bala was at his creative best when he combined his deep interest in Indian history with his expertise in metallurgy (more specifically, corrosion science). Back in the 1990s, he launched his now celebrated study of the Delhi Iron Pillar -- a 'Rustless Wonder' and a 'Metallurgical Marvel of Ancient India.' His research covered not just its extraordinary resistance to rusting, but also its historical context and how the artisans of that age manufactured such a massive monument. [See the list of books he has published].

One can see the influence of this work in his later research into Indian cannons, as well as that into ancient Indian astronomy and metrology -- see, for example, this recent Current Science paper on "the connection of the traditional unit of measure, the angulam, of the Harappan Civilization (~2000 BC) with length measures of the Mughal period (AD ~1600)...," and this one on the astronomical significance of the Delhi Iron Pillar.

Bala was so outgoing and so full of life that he left an unforgettable impression on anyone who had even the briefest of contact with him. As this page testifies, he has also had a positive impact on those who had the good fortune to have been taught by him, or to have worked, played (cricket or music), or interacted with him.

Saturday, November 22, 2008

IITs deflate Yash Pal's trial balloon


The IITs have used some strong words in expressing their opposition to Yash Pal's proposal (which I termed a trial balloon) that they be converted into a university, offering a wide variety of programs. [Thanks to Prof. Ranganathan for the link].

Today, at a meeting with the panel in Mumbai, officials from the IITs, however, said [Yash Pal Committee's] proposal ["to convert IITs from mere 'undergraduate factories' to full-fledged universities"] was unnecessary and “retrogressive”.

The IIT system, they argued, was superior to that employed in central universities, the sources said.

Let's see how Prof. Pal handles the push-back from the "little more than undergraduate factories." Those impolitic words, by the way, are a direct quote from Yash Pal, who doesn't seem to be very good at "how to win friends and influence people."

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Coming to the substantive points, the IITs are certainly right to point out that they offer a wider choice of courses to their engineering students and have started new programs in not only in management, but also in humanities and social sciences. IIT-KGP also has a Law School in the works.

Here are some (not completely original) observations:

  1. I do think that IITs' progress is in the right direction -- I am a big supporter of Real Universities. But I also think this progress is too slow.

  2. IITs are overstating their case about humanities and social sciences; despite their protestations, they continue to remain (primarily) tech schools; H&SS are a sideshow, and they know it.

  3. Prof. Pal should seriously consider a strategy for converting our Central Universities into real universities. Right now, they lack a strong undergraduate program (with BHU being an important exception); they are mainly graduate schools, with perhaps a tiny UG program in this or that subject. This should change.

  4. Three years ago, Prof. Pankaj Jalote (then at IIT-K, later at IIT-D and now Director of IIIT-D) wrote a nice op-ed about the possible futures for the IITs (or, go to his article). He suggested several models: a large public -- and real! -- university (UC-Berkeley), a large tech university (Georgia Tech) and a small university with a greater focus on graduate research (CalTech).

    Last year, in a different context, Jalote revised his views, and offered the Georgia Tech model as the one that was suitable for the IITs.

    To my knowledge, his article received the coldest possible response: silence.

  5. But when someone with a little bit more power -- like Prof. Yash Pal, heading a committee -- comes along and starts thinking aloud about a possible future for the IITs, they come out swinging.

  6. IITs don't seem to like participating in public discussions (I'm sure they talk about this sort of stuff among themselves all the time) about their possible futures. They end up reacting when others start a public conversation about them, and their public response ends up looking either smug (to Jalote) or reactionary (to Yash Pal).

  7. It certainly doesn't take genius to see where it's going: it's better for the IITs to come out and discuss this sort of stuff in public. If they do that, it will give them a way of shaping the tone and direction of the conversation better.

Thursday, May 26, 2005

IT-BHU


Sanjay Dani has a guest column at Rediff making a strong case for why IT-BHU (from where I got my Bachelors degree) should become an IIT.

Yesterday, Yogesh Upadhyaya wrote another guest column at Rediff on the new, new set of colleges, some of which could be made IITs.

There is one word that really sticks out in your mind after reading both the columns: politics. But I guess on high profile, high stakes matters like these, it is inevitable.

Having said that, I have got to say that Upadhyaya's column is a veritable goldmine: it gives lots of figures, relative rankings -- along different dimensions, funding, faculty strength, faculty qualification, faculty/student ratio, and so on. Take a look at funding, for example: IITs get about 900 million to 1.3 billion rupees each per year, while lesser engineering colleges get about 100 million to 200 million each; IT-BHU, being a Central University gets about 400 million (Alas, we don't get a picture of how this figure breaks up into routine and capital expenditures).

Having learnt my lesson from an earlier episode (see my comment -- at No. 5 -- in the post on the Deepak Nayyar interview), I will wait for the Oracle of Chennai (a.k.a. Satya whose blog Education in India has pretty much the final word) to present his analysis. Over to you, Satya!

Sunday, May 25, 2008

Yogesh Upadhyaya on India's initiatives in technical education


Yogesh Upadhyaya, a fellow IT-BHU alumnus and a long-distance friend, has two articles summarizing the current status of different proposals for the creation of new IITs and NITs, conversion of IT-BHU into an IIT, and of several engineering colleges into IIESTs. He covers a several other related things, such as the legislative changes that are required to see these initiatives through, and the funding patterns these institutions may expect. And yes, he gives us an estimate of the faculty shortage, too!

As usual, Yogesh packs these two articles with a lot of very useful info and data that are quite difficult to find; I've bookmarked them for future reference.

Friday, March 28, 2008

New IITs, IIMs


Orissa, Punjab, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh (Indore) will be the next states to get freshly minted IITs. Take a look (see also the update below):

... [The government] on Friday decided to establish four new IITs and six IIMs in various states besides upgrading some of the state universities to the status of Central Universities.

While the new IITs would be located in Orissa, Madhya Pradesh (Indore), Gujarat and Punjab, the IIMs would come up in Tamil Nadu, Jammu and Kashmir, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh (Raipur), Uttarakhand and Haryana.

It would be so much better to create large, "real universities" with a mandate to do research and teach (graduate as well as undergraduate) courses. Engineering, management, law, medicine can be built into these universities in various combinations with natural and social sciences, arts, humanities and languages. Such an environment is particularly important for undergraduate students, a vast majority of whom currently languish in affiliated colleges with poor facilities and non-researchers, or study in elite, but specialized institutions (IITs, NITs, AIIMS, NLSUI, etc).

It's not clear why the government keeps choosing IITs and IIMs, when it can make a much bigger difference in people's lives -- and for the country as a whole -- with real universities.

I don't know about you, I see this news as yet another lost opportunity.

Sigh!

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Update: The official press release (thanks to an e-mail alert from Yogesh Upadhyaya) has a lot more information about the new institutions that are to be set up during the 11th plan. It turns out that 14 'world-class' Central Universities are being planned in the following states:

  1. Pune, Maharashtra
  2. Kolkata, West Bengal
  3. Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu
  4. Mysore, Karnataka
  5. Vishakapatanam, Andhra Pradesh
  6. Gandhinagar, Gujarat
  7. Jaipur, Rajasthan
  8. Patna, Bihar
  9. Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh
  10. Kochi, Kerala
  11. Amritsar, Punjab
  12. Bhubaneshwar, Orissa
  13. Greater NOIDA, Uttar Padesh
  14. Guwahati, North Eastern Region

Further, 16 more Central Universities will be set up in those states that do not currently have one.

Thus, it would appear that I spoke a little too soon. While I welcome the setting up of a large number of universities, I have a grouse against those as well! Currently, our Central Universities do not do any undergraduate teaching -- the lone, honorable exception being the Banaras Hindu University, which has UG programs in many, many disciplines. Thus, I will wait until I have a better idea about the kind of institutions that are actually set up, before I start celebrating ...

[Interestingly, the official press release says that BHU's Institute of Technology (which is also where I studied) will be converted into an IIT. Its path to IIT-hood has been quite tortuous -- so tortuous, in fact, that I will believe it only when the deed is done. ]

Sunday, September 06, 2009

Undergraduate program at IISc


It appears that our Institute's worst-kept secret is finally out: IISc is planning an undergraduate progam.

Why do I call it that? Alert folks would probably have noticed all kinds of clues in MSM as well as blogs. Sure, some of it was speculation, but some others did allude to real and serious discussions that were -- and are -- going on in IISc.

Interestingly, the proposal is for a 4-year BS program in the sciences -- the first such program in the country. [see these   posts for some earlier discussions].

The proposal still has a few more hurdles to overcome, but it has the right sort of momentum that I believe will see it through.

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Some of you may remember that the Institute did run a (highly successful) post-BSc undergraduate program in engineering leading to a BE degree. In the 50s and the 60s, it was a 2-year program; it was converted into a 3-year program in late 60s.

The decline in this program's fortunes began in the 1980s due to two key developments over which IISc didn't have any control:

  • In 1981, the conventional (post-secondary school) BE/BTech degrees went from 5-years to 4-years (I belong to the fist batch of the 4-year BTech program); this development made IISc's effectively six-year program -- with 3-years of BSc followed by 3 years of BE -- relatively unattractive.

  • But, more importantly, it was also during this time when the private engineering colleges began to grow in number -- a process that's still underway. Ever-growing (and easier!) opportunities for a 4-year bachelors program made the 6-year version at IISc even less attractive.

In response to not just these developments, but also to its own perception that it should become a "pure" post-graduate institution, the Institute replaced the BE program with a 4-year Integrated ME program for BSc graduates. But the die was cast: even this program was scrapped 1996, with the final batch graduating in 2000.

But all that was in engineering. The current proposal is largely in the sciences, with engineering departments playing only a supporting role.

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As expected, I'm going to use this opportunity to do some attention-seeking, by pointing you all to this post from 2005 when this idea was, in the memorable words of Danny Glover (Lethal Weapon - 3, I think), "no more than an itch in [somebody's] pants."

I'm also posting here an e-mail (after a bit of editing) which I sent to about a hundred colleagues on an internal mailing list.

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Dear [Colleagues],

Here are some arguments for why, from an institutional point of view, it is in IISc's long-term interests to start a UG program. These arguments (especially 1 to 3, below) are based on my perception of the direction of policy winds, which I have been following on my personal blog for over four years. Your perceptions may differ from mine; if they do, I would be interested to hear your views on these trends.

With that preamble out of the way, here we go, starting with the most important:

  1. Sooner or later, the government will demand a UG program. When it does, it'll be insistent, strident.

    [Maybe I need to explain why I think this will happen.]

    India's higher ed system has effectively delinked research from teaching. Universities don't do UG teaching; they do only UG examinations. UG teaching is what happens in colleges, a vast majority of which have little or no footprint in research.

    This state of affairs is now widely recognized as dysfunctional; less than 25 percent of our engineering graduates (and less than 15 percent overall) are deemed employable. Politicians and business leaders have taken notice.

    IITs, IISERs, BHU, and a few Central universities that offer integrated MSc degrees (and, to a smaller extent, some of the NITs) are the honorable oases in our vast, barren higher ed landscape.

    To the extent that India's progress needs an effective higher ed system, it is clear that more and more of our institutions must be transformed into "real" universities that do both research and UG teaching.

    This means that colleges will be asked to do (more) research; more importantly, our universities (and research institutions like IISc and TIFR) will be asked to do UG teaching.

    This is not idle speculation. Prof. Yash Pal has already made this suggestion for JNU, and forced their Senate to take it up for discussion. NKC has recommended that the new universities we start must combine research with UG teaching. These demands will only intensify.

    [Arguments such as "500 graduates from IISc are too small in number to matter" are not valid, because over 95+ percent of those half a million engineering graduates go to colleges whose capabilities are so evidently sub-par. In a national effort to raise the quality of UG education, everyone will be asked to contribute -- and that'll include the universities, and yes, the IISc, too.]

    It is far better for IISc to be proactive in adding a UG program, than to react to external demands. Also, if IISc takes the initiative, it'll get to do it the way it likes.

  2. In fact, if IISc were to lead the initiative in offering UG programs, it will cement IISc's leadership position further in the public consciousness. It will be seen as showing the way to the Central and State universities. [By the same token, a PR disaster is a certainty if IISc were to say no after a public demand is made that it start a UG program; if you think this demand will not be made, read 1 again].

    With active researchers -- most of whom have benefited from the very environment that IISc's UG program will create -- IISc is well positioned to pull it off. If it does it now, it will also benefit from a benign funding environment.

  3. Elite research institutions like IISc attract huge amounts of government funding (measured in terms of, for example, amount per faculty); it takes just one or two politicians, or activists (or even Council members ;-) to start asking probing questions about what the country gets in return, and if those returns are commensurate with the level of funding, particularly in comparison with other institutions.

    IISc's leadership position in its own bastion is increasingly under threat. IIT-B produced more PhDs last year than IISc did; IIT-KGP is likely to leapfrog IISc as well (if it has not done it already). And Several IITs are not too far behind IISc in terms of publications (Giridhar or Ram may have numerical evidence for these observations). IISc's performance will come under sharp, and increasingly harsh scrutiny in the years to come.

    Bottomline: A diversified portfolio -- that includes a world-class UG program -- is good for IISc.

  4. UG program will ensure a stability in funding. In this era of abundance, this argument may look laughably silly. But, don't count on good times to last long; just ask the poor souls who suffered through the horrible crunch of the late 80s and early 90s.

  5. Our graduates are our allies. Particularly when times turn tough. Our UG graduates will provide more bang for the buck (in terms of moral and financial support) than our masters and doctoral graduates. The emotional attachment of graduates to their UG institutions is strong, long-lasting. IISc will be wise to create this resource and nurture it.

I admit that 1-3 are based on environmental drivers (in the sense that they are external to IISc). But, institutions aren't islands -- especially those that are almost completely dependent on public money. It doesn't take much -- a couple of scandals will do! -- to change the public perceptions.

Cheers,
Abi.

Saturday, May 31, 2008

2008 JEE results


The results of JEE-2008 were announced yesterday. Here are a few key points (comparisons with the 2007 results use data from my posts from last year):

  • The Big Picture: 311,258 students took the exam; 8,652 have got a JEE rank, representing a 'strike rate' of 2.8 percent. Last year, over 243,029 students competed for 7209 ranks, with a strike rate of almost 3 percent.

    Thus, ranks have seen a 20 percent hike (8652 vs. 7209), while the number of seats at the IITs and their associates (IT-BHU, ISM-Dhanbad) is up by 24 percent (6872 vs 5537).

    The 24 percent increase in IIT seats is due to both the first phase of OBC reservation in the existing IITs and their associates, and the full 27 percent OBC reservation in the six new IITs (AP, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Orissa and Punjab).

  • Women: Over 78,000 women took the JEE this year, about 44 percent increase over last year, and 840 of them got a rank, representing an increase of 43 percent.

    Here's a different way of looking at women's performance. Among the exam takers, women formed nearly 26 percent this year, while they formed 22 percent last year.

    Among the rank-holders, women form 9.7 percent this year; last year, they formed 8.1 percent.

    Finally, here's the most dramatic metric for the kind of advantage men enjoy in in JEE: they are over three times (3.1 times, to be more precise) as likely as women to get through JEE. This advantage is the same (3.2 times) as it was last year.

    The top ranker among women had a JEE rank of 14 this year (N. Vasuki of Bangalore, who also topped the Karnataka CET), a considerable improvement over last year's 55th rank scored by Ankita Sharma of Mumbai.

    [A quick aside: It turns out that Vasuki is from SRN Adarsh College, whose Principal, Prof. Sukanya Chattopadhyay, happens to be a good friend of ours! This must be a proud moment for Sukanya and her colleagues. Another noteworthy fact is that it's not a CBSE school; it belongs to the Karnataka Pre-University Board.]

  • Scheduled Castes and Tribes: SC and ST students. Out of 28,393 SC candidates (36 percent over last year's 20892), 690 qualified (16 percent over last year's 594). In terms of success ratio, this year's 2.4 percent is lower than last year's 2.8 percent.

    For the ST candidates, the figures are: 8,514 took the exam (44 % increase over 5,909 last year), and 159 cleared (46 percent increase over 109). Success ratio is about 1.9 percent, roughly the same as last year.

  • Other Backward Classes: Out of 72,116 OBC candidates (up 58 % from last year's 45,576), 1,134 have qualified (up 15 % from 990). They formed 23 percent of the exam takers, but were only 13 percent among the rank-holders.

    Last year, there was no reservation for OBC students; since IITs had collected the data, they released it. However, this year, there is some reservation, which implies that OBC students would have benefited from some relaxation in the cut-offs. Thus, in spite of this benefit, the strike rate for OBC students this year (1.6 percent) is lower than that for last year (2.1 percent).

IITs have not released more fine grained data. In particular, it would be great to have disaggregated data for men and women in general as well as in OBC, SC and ST categories. Further, IITs relax the cut-off marks for students in the reserved categories. Thus, if they release data separately for the numbers of OBC men and women, SC men and women, ST men and women, and general category women who make it through the general category cut-off, we'll have a clearer and more realistic idea of the extent of the respective gaps that exist. [What would be even better is the distribution of ranks -- and even better, distribution of marks -- for all these eight categories!]

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An interesting thing you notice when you check Google News for JEE results is the number of newspaper stories celebrating JEE rank-holders (and not just the top rankers) from their cities and towns. While some are just interesting, quite a few are so heart-warming.

Sunday, January 18, 2009

What do you get when policies don't survive a change in government?


I don't know what kind of inputs Prof. C.N.R. Rao gave to the government before it announced the launch of eight new IITs. And I don't know why he keeps going on and on about how the government -- his own government! -- has mucked them up through poor / non-existent planning. But I do want to point out one (possible) reason behind the alacrity with which three states -- Gujarat, Punjab and Orissa -- chose to start 'their' new IITs within six months from the announcement: lack of policy continuity.

I'll give two examples.

  • There was this curious case of "upgrading" a bunch of engineering colleges into IITs. During the NDA regime, four such colleges were identified. Under the UPA government, however, this list changed; it now had seven colleges. And only IT-BHU was common to both the lists.

    Oh, there was something else that was common to both the lists: the committee that chose these colleges! Bizarre, no?

  • Similarly, in 2003, the NDA government announced the setting up of National Institutes of Science at four places: Allahabad, Bhubaneswar, Chennai and Kolkata; acting on it, the UGC had initiated some steps (see this, for example). After the General Elections, the new UPA regime scrapped this proposal, and announced that two IISERs were to be set up in Kolkata and Chennai (Mohali, Bhopal and Thiruvananthapuram were added later). The letters -- NIS as opposed to IISER -- might be different, but I don't think anybody would dispute that the spirit behind these initiatives was the same.

    Press reports at that time (see this, for example) noted that the UPA government's move was meant to snub the previous government's HRD Minister, Mr. M.M. Joshi. I don't know what Joshi felt about this snub, but this change led to severe heartburn in Orissa, since that state lost 'its' NIS [check out this site].

May be it's worth pointing out that in the second example, Prof. C.N.R. Rao's role was -- I have to choose my words carefully here! -- not insignificant.

So, let's see what we get out of this little exercise:

  1. There is clearly a deep uncertainty about whether a stated policy will survive a change of government.

  2. When the UPA government announced its proposal for five new IITs in 2008 (the other three in AP, Bihar and Rajasthan were announced in 2007), it was just about a year from the next General Elections.

Given the prestige associated with 'getting' an IIT, is it surprising that the Gujarat, Punjab and Orissa governments jumped at the opportunity to get 'their' IITs going?

Is it surprising, then, that the new institutions would need to scramble to get their academic programs going -- within three months after their creation?

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Here's a great op-ed by Prof. T. Jayaraman covering some of this stuff (and more).

Friday, May 04, 2007

A profile of those who make it through JEE


Shashi Gulhati's book has some information about the "children who qualify through the JEE for admission into the 'portals.' The profile has changed only marginally over the last decade." Here, then, is the profile -- from page 34-35 of The IITs: Slumping or Soaring:

  • Seventy two/three percent still come from cities, a little over 20 percent from towns and the balance from villages and that percent has increased a little from 5 to 8 percent.
  • About 40 percent are 18 years old; the percentage of 17 years old has reduced from 33 to 23 and that of 19 years old has increased from 20 to 25, indicating that somewhat older students are coming in through the portals.
  • They are somewhat older, perhaps because the percentage of those who are succeeding in getting admission in the first attempt has reduced from 52 to 40 percent, whereas the percentage of those succeeding in the second and third attempts have gone up from 40 to 43 and 8 to 14, respectively. [numbers don't add up for the latter year; see the note below]
  • Many students are coming from CBSE affiliated schools, up by 8 percent from 45 to 53; and fewer from schools with ICSE affiliation -- down from 14 to 8 percent. The balance, about 40 percent, have taken the state board exams.
  • Students who qualify are those that are also performing better in their Class X examination; the proportion of those with more than 90 percent has almost doubled -- from 17 to 32 percent; those with scores from 80 to 89 percenthave increased marginally -- from 47 to 50 percent; and those with scores less than 80 percent have dropped from 36 to 28 percent.
  • The educational and professional background of parents of children who are qualifying has not altered; about 45 percent are still children whose fathers are in public/government service; those having both parents who are graduates are about 60 percent, with one graduate -- 30 percent and with no graduate parent about 10 percent.

Note: Gulhati does not cite a source for the data; so I presume the source to be an internal IIT study. Further, in all these comparisons, the years being compared are not specified. The latter year appears to me to be either 2005 or 2006. [Take a look at the data for 2006, and some of the numbers are similar. For example, the successful first attempters were about 43 percent of the 2006 cohort, what you get from Gulhati's numbers -- 100 - 14 - 43 = 43 -- is the same, except that he mentions 40 percent). As for the base year, Gulhati's earlier statement (that "the profile has changed only marginally over the last decade") indicates that it's probably 1995 or 1996 (but I am not sure).

These numbers, I presume, are for the JEE-qualified; the numbers for those who actually join the IITs (and a few other institutions including my alma mater -- IT-BHU) would be somewhat different. Gulhati does not provide any figure for how many of the JEE-qualified actually join the JEE-affiliated institutions.

Gulhati goes on to provide some statistics about the students' financial background:

... One may presume that the responses [regarding family income] understate the amount. Nevertheless, it is interesting to observe that for JEE 2005, only about 19 percent of the qualified students had declared that the income exceeded Rs. 3 lakhs [Rs. 300,000] per annum; 24 percent stated that it was between Rs. 2 lakhs and 3 lakhs; 30 percent mentioned it was between 1 lakh and 2 lakhs; 18 percent that it was between 0.5 lakh and 1 lakh, and 9 percent reported a family income of less than 0.5 lakh. ...

Wednesday, May 30, 2007

2007 IIT-JEE results are out ...


A preliminary report is here (and here, too). Here are the salient details:

Over 240,000 candidates took the exam, and "7,209 (almost 3 percent) are eligible to seek admission to 5,537 seats" in the seven IITs, IT-BHU and ISMU-Dhanbad.

Among the candidates, some 54,000 (about 22 percent) were women. The topper among women is ranked at 55. In all, there are 587 women in the much coveted JEE list this year, 193 more than in 2006. Their fraction in the 2007 cohort works out to 8.1 percent.

[In comparison, the fraction of women was 6.3 percent (321 / 5092) in 2005, and 6.2 percent (394 / 6343) in 2006. So, women have done better this year by a considerable margin.]

The IITs also have some statistics about Dalit (SC) and Tribal (ST) students. Of 20,892 Dalit students wrote the exam, and nearly 594 (2.8 percent) of them qualified. These numbers for tribal students are, respectively, 5,909 and 109 (2 percent).

If you look at these numbers, pass-through rate is roughly the same for Dalit (2.8 percent) and open category students (3 percent). For the tribals (2 percent), it's about a third less. However, the real hit for SC and ST students is on the input side: Dalits form only 8.5 percent of the exam takers, while 15 percent of the seats are reserved for them. Similarly, only 2.5 percent of the exam takers belong to STs, against the 7.5 percent quota meant for them.

[Update: I wanted to add this, but missed doing it. Women get hit on both the input side and the pass-through side. With 22 percent of the exam-takers, women are poorly represented at this stage itself. They then suffer a second level disadvantage, with just about 1.1 percent of them getting into the JEE list. In other words, men are over three times more likely than women to get through JEE. ]

There is no separate quota for OBCs this year. However, the IITs have not revealed how many of the JEE-qualified candidates belong to the OBCs. They certainly collected the data this year, so I'm sure they know what that number is. I'm surprised this information has not been revealed at the news conference in Mumbai. I would think this is a fit case for invoking the Right to Information Act.

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More when additional details emerge. In the meantime, you might want to look at an analysis of the 2006 JEE results, or our recent discussion of JEE's (plausible) bias against women, recapped here.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005

New IITs in the news


Today's Economic Times had a story by Urmi Goswami about the progress in 'upgrading' of seven engineering colleges to the IIT status. The seven colleges are:

  • University College of Engineering combined with University College of Technology, Osmania University
  • Bengal Engineering College
  • Jadavpur University’s engineering and technology departments
  • Zakir Hussain College of Engineering and Technology, AMU
  • Andhra University College of Engineering
  • Cochin University of Science and Technology
  • Institute of Technology at BHU (Disclosure: I studied there; so, I am entitled to say Yippee!)

A committee headed by Prof. M Ananda Krishnan of Madras Institute of Development Studies has been asked to visit all the colleges, assess their financial needs, examine how they can migrate to the new governance structure consistent with that of the IITs, and make recommendations by January.

Curiously, the story opens with "The Union government may have put on hold its plan to set up new IITs". What was this plan? Does anybody know?

In any case, it is far better to upgrade existing institutions to greater heights. Simply from the cost point of view, it makes better sense. However, the key question is: how are they going to get their faculty? Surely, they need people with doctorates with some years of experience. Where are they?

Friday, August 19, 2005

Update on new IITs


Yogesh Upadhyaya, a fellow-alumnus of IT-BHU, has been following up on the progress made in implementing the government's intention to elevate a bunch of engineering institutions to the IIT status. Here is his latest Rediff piece. His earlier piece is here.