tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post9189932132658712188..comments2024-03-20T13:10:11.477+05:30Comments on nanopolitan: Perspectives on academic science in IndiaAbihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-91145173342870992592009-04-13T16:26:00.000+05:302009-04-13T16:26:00.000+05:30"I guess it begins at each individual faculty memb..."I guess it begins at each individual faculty member to take up the responsibility to pursue more students to their research group and try to publish more, attend more quality conferences and try to give more talks etc."<BR/><BR/> IIT/IISc professors do not want to train graduate students. Even famous professors in engineering in IISc have less than 2 to 3 doctorate students. The selection ratio of ph.d student in iisc is 10:1. This is because they do not want guide students. <BR/>They would instead spend time in the coffee board and tell that no good ph.d student is available.<BR/><BR/>KumarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-60573602728264507072009-04-10T14:13:00.001+05:302009-04-10T14:13:00.001+05:30It's a good argument that we have to accept th...It's a good argument that we have to accept the facts. But also most of the process today seems to end at seeing the numbers. No further action is taken to make things better.<BR/><BR/>(a) Students complain that there are too many entrance exams and prefer the simple format of GRE & Toefl to pursue the so called American Dream!<BR/>(b) Faculty say "no quality students available" but unfortunately not everyone tries to pursue aggressively to get quality students.<BR/>(c) Departments complain of lack of funding and show the fingers towards the government.<BR/><BR/>I guess it begins at each individual faculty member to take up the responsibility to pursue more students to their research group and try to publish more, attend more quality conferences and try to give more talks etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-65373253238653431162009-04-10T14:13:00.000+05:302009-04-10T14:13:00.000+05:30It's a good argument that we have to accept th...It's a good argument that we have to accept the facts. But also most of the process today seems to end at seeing the numbers. No further action is taken to make things better. <BR/><BR/>(a) Students complain that there are too many entrance exams and prefer the simple format of GRE & Toefl to pursue the so called American Dream!<BR/>(b) Faculty say "no quality students available" but unfortunately not everyone tries to pursue aggressively to get quality students.<BR/>(c) Departments complain of lack of funding and show the fingers towards the students.<BR/><BR/>I guess it begins at each individual faculty member to take up the responsibility to pursue more students to their research group and try to publish more, attend more quality conferences and try to give more talks etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-20990175086771834162009-04-10T08:19:00.000+05:302009-04-10T08:19:00.000+05:30I agree that analysis into computational/theoretic...I agree that analysis into computational/theoretical as opposed to experimental research publication may provide some understanding that where more improvement efforts are needed. <BR/><BR/>On the other side a direct comparison of 40 to 200 may not suit to a scientist but the fact remains that overall productivity actually is very low. <BR/><BR/>Most of the time I don't understand why we are not ready to accept that we are legging far behind compare to other similarly developing nations. My personal policy on 'complaining' is like this...accept the prima-fact, find the solutions, work hard and turn the statistics in our favor. And let others do this comparison that why the productivity in India is so high but not in their respective nations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-54824342521391534872009-04-10T03:41:00.000+05:302009-04-10T03:41:00.000+05:30Well That's true - The statistics should show theo...Well That's true - The statistics should show theoretical, computational and experimental separately to see where the lacking is in India. Also I would say that there are more institutes in the US where students are involved in research than in India (Eg: IISc etc). Even though IIT's might have PhD students - being from an IIT, I would say it's more about undergrads than full fledged research institute!!<BR/><BR/>So a better comparison would be if one could pull out from the data as to how many institutes in India are contributing etc as well.<BR/><BR/>Just comparing 40 in India to 200 in US is highly unscientific. I do not think that kind of a comparison would suit a scientist!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-41109238353834461612009-04-09T19:55:00.000+05:302009-04-09T19:55:00.000+05:30The lower funding level probably explains the lowe...The lower funding level probably explains the lower research output. But it would be interesting to categorize all such statisitic and analysis into computational/theoretical as opposed to experimental research. The picture maybe more grim wrt the latter. This area maybe an important area of growth in the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-26973508681394535972009-04-09T13:55:00.000+05:302009-04-09T13:55:00.000+05:30But also an important thing to see in this statist...But also an important thing to see in this statistics would be number of "Indians" in the US who were involved in these stated 200-odd publications.<BR/><BR/>No doubt, being in a great institute with Nobel Laureates around provides a ground for active discussion. But were those discussions turned into fruitful papers is as much important!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-61935622508410793402009-04-09T10:10:00.000+05:302009-04-09T10:10:00.000+05:30What about error estimation? Another lost artWhat about error estimation? Another lost artWavefunctionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14993805391653267639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-33041378007122721762009-04-08T17:44:00.000+05:302009-04-08T17:44:00.000+05:30Re. Prof Balaram's article, he talks about lack of...Re. Prof Balaram's article, he talks about lack of good technicians. College education does not teach technical skills. Perhaps i should modify that statement.... it teaches students to get 'right result'only. <BR/>(I keep saying this) <BR/>Very few students take the trouble to get the 'right answer' by learning good lab techniques. Most just 'acquire' the 'right answer'Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186014514110985045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-36987420517390155652009-04-08T10:33:00.000+05:302009-04-08T10:33:00.000+05:30Those who are very much interested in the statisti...Those who are very much interested in the statistics of publications in the so called High impact journals may want to look at the following articles by Peter Lawarence from Cambridge<BR/><BR/>(1) Politics pf Publications<BR/><BR/>http://www.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/PAL/pdf/politics.pdf<BR/><BR/>(2) Lost in Publication<BR/><BR/>http://www.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/PAL/pdf/e008pp6.pdfpradeepkumar pihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288528678251357568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-42956149277502394492009-04-08T10:23:00.000+05:302009-04-08T10:23:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.pradeepkumar pihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288528678251357568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-24413161062780400152009-04-08T10:22:00.000+05:302009-04-08T10:22:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.pradeepkumar pihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288528678251357568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-73147525803952872242009-04-08T01:59:00.000+05:302009-04-08T01:59:00.000+05:30I found this interesting link on research in netwo...I found this interesting link on research in networking by a faculty at iit powai. sounds like many people hitting the nail on its head!!<BR/><BR/>http://ashwingumaste.blogspot.com/2009/02/cracking-nuts-and-bolts-of-telecom.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-68055285463535118502009-04-07T16:17:00.000+05:302009-04-07T16:17:00.000+05:30Peer review in deciding awards in India? It is non...Peer review in deciding awards in India? It is non-existent. It is only dependnt on the chairman of the committee.<BR/><BR/>KumarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-7241717252217465122009-04-07T15:19:00.000+05:302009-04-07T15:19:00.000+05:30NISTADS, a CSIR outfit based in New Delhi, has col...NISTADS, a CSIR outfit based in New Delhi, has collected a large volume of publication and citation data. You may get the data from Dr Parthasarathi Banerjee, Director of NISTADS. I am sure NISTADS would soon bring out a report somewhat similar to the NSF report "Science and Engineering Indicators."<BR/><BR/>The point is India is way behind the advanced countries in terms of number of papers published, number of papers published in leading journals, number of citations, number of citations per paper, and so on. We also do not have a large number of researchers - at the level of doctoral students, post-doctoral fellows and faculty holding regular positions in academic institutions and R&D labs. <BR/><BR/>This has been the situation for a long time and things seem to be improving but rather slowly. Compared to India, China, South Korea and Brazil seem to be progressing faster. India's output, measured in terms of papers published in journals indexed in major databases such as the Web of Science, is hovering around 2.7% (certainly below 3%) of the world output, whereas China's research output has been rising fast and is currently around 10% or more. <BR/><BR/>While this may be a matter for concern, one is even more concerned about standards of peer review, especially in deciding important awards.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02121665344023995646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-15968655797506681682009-04-06T18:49:00.000+05:302009-04-06T18:49:00.000+05:30I have compiled the statistics for a wide range of...I have compiled the statistics for a wide range of universities in USA, Europe, Asia etc. This study is funded by the government and I will put it in a report and then on my blog !<BR/><BR/>Anyway,if you want some more comparison. Oxford published 201 in Science and 305 in Nature. <BR/><BR/>All these numbers are articles published (not editorial material or book reviews or even reviews)<BR/><BR/>GiridharGiri@iischttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11819278945207995261noreply@blogger.com