tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post6086557095983801635..comments2024-03-20T13:10:11.477+05:30Comments on nanopolitan: A desi libertarian party?Abihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-28893410516481568142009-11-07T01:06:45.760+05:302009-11-07T01:06:45.760+05:30Good you guys don't even have a voter id card!...Good you guys don't even have a voter id card! Keep thinking.Develop Indiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05951117582304723961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-6993348287418795242008-10-28T17:11:00.000+05:302008-10-28T17:11:00.000+05:30Abi: If giving a Rs. 600 handout to every citizen ...Abi: If giving a Rs. 600 handout to every citizen is libertarian, my tits are bigger than Dolly Parton's! Ditto for all the family-planning social engineering. You can put together slogans from here and there, but it's meaningless if it doesn't form a coherent philosophy that you can arrive at from first principles. Ron Paul, for all his alleged kookiness, is internally consistent that way. These dudes are all over the place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-66767494090321343652008-10-27T21:19:00.000+05:302008-10-27T21:19:00.000+05:30Abi: Libertarian yes, Republican no. Note that the...Abi: Libertarian yes, Republican no. Note that they are OK with personal freedoms, which the Republicans want to control [gay marriage, abortion etc.].<BR/><BR/>I too think that perhaps they are going the Ron Paul way. Lets see. I just posted a new post with some more thoughts, which I see is already linked in the "links to this post" :).<BR/><BR/>@Pratik: Point taken. At the same time, I think it is high time we had a national debate about "practical" solutions to solving the population growth issue. This [crazy] path may serve as a good starting point, one end of the options spectrum maybe, with the other extreme being "talk to junta and hope they have less babies".Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-36792082796416009252008-10-27T21:11:00.000+05:302008-10-27T21:11:00.000+05:30Anon: Yeah, I guess I could have titled this post ...Anon: Yeah, I guess I could have titled this post "A desi Republican party!"<BR/><BR/>Pratik, Animesh, Satarkb: All your sleuthing points to only one possibility: this party doesn't have much of a chance anywhere, anytime. It may survive as a think tank if it's backed up by some intellectual firepower, but given what they have on their website, even that possibility is pretty remote ...<BR/><BR/>Amit: These guys certainly have some kooky ideas, but their economic platform *is* libertarian, isn't it? They remind me of Ron Paul...Abihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-12952634892477709202008-10-27T20:34:00.000+05:302008-10-27T20:34:00.000+05:30@ Animesh: I disagree with the path. IMHO taking a...@ Animesh: I disagree with the path. IMHO taking away the right to vote is a direct violation of the Indian constitution.Pratik Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12991612512085384857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-90695501708087957532008-10-27T19:56:00.000+05:302008-10-27T19:56:00.000+05:30To follow up Animesh's questions: I would say my f...To follow up Animesh's questions: <BR/><BR/>I would say my frustration with the quote Pratik picked out is the path. Providing women with education and access to the workplace has been shown, in every western country, to reduce birthrates drastically-- although I think teh family structure needs to adapt to women in the workplace (instead of them burdening the job of transmitting culture to the younger generation; having kids; caring for kids and caring for the household).<BR/><BR/>Disincentivizing the birth of children in a country without easy divorce laws, uncontested female inheirtance and emphasis on "carrying on the bloodline" will - most likely result in higher levels of female infanticide and could even lead to a situation such as China's, where there aren't enough females in half a generation to provide for the carrying out of marriages and so on. <BR/><BR/>As far as the party being in a hurry...I can't agree more but that - I think - is the result of it being born from corporate structures. This being said, I wouldnt underestimate them. The ideology of free-markets and self-interest and getting what you work for are all very appealing and have been continuously exported by the US in a number of ways. I see this as it taking serious hold. Indians with protestant work-ethics and a blind eye to systematic disadvantages. How exciting....bhavnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927404874995258920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-44697344183703446102008-10-27T15:37:00.000+05:302008-10-27T15:37:00.000+05:30Thanks for the insight Abi. I will look forward to...Thanks for the insight Abi. I will look forward to more comments from your readers on this.<BR/><BR/>@pratik: What is wrong with disincentivizing multi-babies? Are you at odds with their goal or the path?<BR/><BR/>@amit: From what I have understood by reading their FAQ etc, they _do_ borrow a lot from libertarianism, although not all. I think they _are_ "remotely" libertarian :).Animeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412663541603155070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-62764383193372294222008-10-27T11:49:00.000+05:302008-10-27T11:49:00.000+05:30For god's sake, Abi, these jokers aren't remotely ...For god's sake, Abi, these jokers aren't remotely libertarian. The quote highlighted in the comment above by Pratik illustrates that. Don't caricature libertarians, please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-78056917845220187732008-10-27T06:30:00.000+05:302008-10-27T06:30:00.000+05:30Misguided parties like this should never get to po...Misguided parties like this should never get to power. Here is a line from the party's manifesto.<BR/><BR/>"For this, Jago Party would vigorously campaign for family planning and put a series of disincentives on anyone who produces more than two children. These disincentives would include debarring such parents from voting, getting any government financial aids and holding any public posts."<BR/><BR/>I rest my case.Pratik Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12991612512085384857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-17453335417939682892008-10-27T06:24:00.000+05:302008-10-27T06:24:00.000+05:30Their talk on economy seems more like the Republic...Their talk on economy seems more like the Republicans in US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com