tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post1330781491137892623..comments2024-03-20T13:10:11.477+05:30Comments on nanopolitan: Selection of TIFR Director: An e-mail from a professor at NYU to the Prime MinisterAbihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-51857525008682602142015-11-02T09:40:08.419+05:302015-11-02T09:40:08.419+05:30I would agree with Sriram: TIFR, CSIR or any other...I would agree with Sriram: TIFR, CSIR or any other tax-funded institution has to be a lot more transparent in its mandate, focus and operations. We must give them autonomy, but not a blank cheque for operations. If they want that, they should get a substantial portion of their operational funding from those private players who would grant them blank cheque. At any rate, while I respect my ex-colleagues and teachers in TIFR, I won't them to run institutions on the whims of old-boy networks.<br /><br />Those who want blank cheques, please generate your own cheques, don't ask a reluctant tax payer to fund it. Btw, my own PhD was also funded by the tax payer, and I would respect all probity in its funds, focus and final application.<br /><br />Regards.myopic astronomerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473162148550444775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-44561880202653394022015-03-24T12:24:57.931+05:302015-03-24T12:24:57.931+05:30That is true. So we disagree and fight it out in c...That is true. So we disagree and fight it out in court. Eventually the TIFR board is committed to the betterment of TIFR. It should seek creative legal ways to do what is needed to do for this. If it thinks that not announcing the position is better, so be it, so long as it can eventually be defended legally. <br /><br />Too often in our institutions we give in to premeditated fear-mongering. We take decisions based on what we as faculty or some other pseudo-expert (some administrator, colleague etc) thinks will happen -- e.g., there will be an RTI, there will be this and that -- and that is always too conservative. This may be ok in minor matters, but in important matters, why not consult a top lawyer instead, saying "this is what I want to do for my institution. If the matter eventually goes to court, can it be defended?"Ankur Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411971742511540520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-3012717661287204502015-03-24T11:40:37.310+05:302015-03-24T11:40:37.310+05:30Ankur states, "what you are raising is an obj...Ankur states, "what you are raising is an objection based on what you perceive a publicly funded institution ought to do. I disagree with it.". So, Ankur, what do you think is the responsibility of a publicly funded Institution? Any? None?? Would some accountability be required? What would you define as accountability and what would you define as interference? <br /><br />Ankur also states "... only requires some self-restraint on the part of the govt, and some courage on the part of the institutions". Would some self-restraint be required / expected on the part of the institutions also? And who is to determine if the institution / government is exhibiting such self-restraint? My determination will not agree with yours, most likely ...iitmsriramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063826764366606345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-6611740587732034072015-03-24T00:16:23.931+05:302015-03-24T00:16:23.931+05:30@Science Crooks I don't see why it is a given ...@Science Crooks I don't see why it is a given that if one gets govt money, one also gets govt interference. By that logic, since the Supreme court judges are paid for by the govt, do they always adjudicate in favour of the govt? Or the election commission favours the current govt? To be govt funded and to be independent of interference are not contradictory. It only requires some self-restraint on the part of the govt, and some courage on the part of the institutions.Ankur Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411971742511540520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-34863684106513423332015-03-24T00:10:56.411+05:302015-03-24T00:10:56.411+05:30Again, Prof Sriram, what you are raising is an obj...Again, Prof Sriram, what you are raising is an objection based on what you perceive a publicly funded institution ought to do. I disagree with it. Essentially, you are on the side of the PMO and I am on the TIFR side of the TIFR board. We can debate endlessly on this. Eventually, the only way to rigorously sort this out is by taking matters to the court of law. I would ask my lawyer to carefully and creatively interpret the laws that govern TIFR to win the case. <br /><br />Unfortunately, when faced with a possible grey areas like these, our institutions do not seek creative legal ways to do what they need to do. The general way of functioning instead seems to be that one imagines adverse circumstances that can arise or conjures up some norms of propriety and tries to follow them (like you are suggesting, where you want open applications in the name of `transparency').<br /><br />There is no need to fear and be so coy. I believe the TIFR board should stand its ground, and fight its case in the court of law.<br /><br />(IIT was a typo-- I meant top institutions)Ankur Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411971742511540520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-41531934133358908072015-03-23T22:53:47.034+05:302015-03-23T22:53:47.034+05:30Dear Prof at NYU,
I just wanted to know how of...Dear Prof at NYU,<br /> I just wanted to know how often director/president of your institute get decided by 2-3 ppl, who themselves are retired some 10-20 year earlier? You said that u know candidate X is good and govt is wrong in not accepting that choice. As you and other competent people vouch for him, I fail to understand what candidate X has to fear from an open process? <br /> Dear Ankur,<br /> As you do not want govt interference and small matters like rules on public appointment, why you and other scientist try to get financial autonomy too for TIFR? Why to rely on govt money??Science Crookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03899249596027383045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-26138541697382342382015-03-23T20:36:38.255+05:302015-03-23T20:36:38.255+05:30Ankur, what you point out is precisely the problem...Ankur, what you point out is precisely the problem. TIFR is not a Tata company but a tax payer funded institution. This requires a certain degree of transparency in functioning. What do I care about who Ratan Tata appoints, it is something between the shareholders and the Board. Maybe you are satisfied with the process by which Cyrus Mistry was appointed, but I could care less, I don't hold any Tata shares. But that is not the case with TIFR. With TIFR, there is no legal problem, there is no legalese. But to proclaim that we will only take secret nominations into consideration is, in my opinion, not the way to go for a tax payer funded institution. The TIFR board should go by its own mind in the selection, but not in the matter of who may be considered for selection.<br /><br />Incidentally, what does this have to do with IITs freedom?iitmsriramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063826764366606345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-67507587917016686942015-03-23T15:27:14.971+05:302015-03-23T15:27:14.971+05:30No, Prof Sriram. TIFR board should go by its own m...No, Prof Sriram. TIFR board should go by its own mind, and not be bullied by legalese. Was Cyrus Mistry's post "announced" when Ratan Tata was to retire? Are we not satisfied with the process regardless?<br /><br />Besides, if there is a legal problem, one must not succumb to fear mongering and therefore follow some safe path. Rather, let us get the best lawyers on board and beat the hell out of those trying to intimidate us with legalese. All top institutions should arm themselves with legal expertise and take babus to court whenever they curtail IIT's freedom.<br /><br />Eventually, the law is man-made. If there is a problem, it should be changed so that intellectuals can freely exert their mind.Ankur Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411971742511540520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-36976366725419641912015-03-22T19:43:37.805+05:302015-03-22T19:43:37.805+05:30NYU Prof says "completely support the existin...NYU Prof says "completely support the existing selection process for TIFR Director". The selection process does not allow anyone to "apply" for this position. In fact, as the post is not advertised or announced, how would any aspirant know? This makes it completely upto the search cum selection committee to decide who is to be considered and who need not be. The problem now is that of bad timing - one should not raise this issue when the appointment is on the table (especially as we have a good candidate), but should do it well before the process starts up. If not anything else, in the interest of transparency, it would do well for TIFR to have an open announcement, no? (like IITs do; IITs also did not always announce and used this same nomination plus search cum selection committee process. Now, all IITs advertise the Director post). What is wrong if TIFR announces that it is searching for a new director and welcomes nominations?<br /><br />Don't know if following can be believed, but the press reports that some TIFR folks wrote to the PM's office some months ago in this connection.<br /><br />http://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai/tifr-director-s-appointment-scientists-had-written-to-pmo-against-ad-hoc-appointment/article1-1328372.aspx<br /><br />I think there is also some incomplete knowledge about IIT Director selection; the additional secretary who ran the process has been shifted out. I don't believe this is a case of "ill treatment meted to Scientific community by IAS bureaucrats".iitmsriramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063826764366606345noreply@blogger.com