tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post6418602782123712697..comments2024-03-20T13:10:11.477+05:30Comments on nanopolitan: DST nails an IIT-KGP professorAbihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-91320119131617633282012-09-04T17:26:10.682+05:302012-09-04T17:26:10.682+05:30He is awesome prof.
He is awesome prof.<br />rajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15478417381206175902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-82786327324636963192010-02-09T12:05:53.198+05:302010-02-09T12:05:53.198+05:30typical indian mentality, nothing can be done at i...typical indian mentality, nothing can be done at iit,<br />so iit profs keep begging alumni to give them<br />projects( who have become faculty in US univs) when they get one in foreign, they behave as if they are studs of the world. these iit faculty<br />tell us about patriotism while they will do anything in the world to get a foreign collaboration, height of hypocrisy.<br /><br />why are the big guns of iit having most famous projects in collaboration with foreign faculty ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-88132635702973276782009-12-19T19:02:44.167+05:302009-12-19T19:02:44.167+05:30But if one can get a Ph.D. degree in less than a y...But if one can get a Ph.D. degree in less than a year, he is already a genius, so no qualms and querries. Imagine people within a single Ph.D. getting 15-20 papers in biosciences even in 3-4 years duration in all high impact factor (beyond 5 easily) journals is a reality in a great system/ intitute in India!! Calculate yourself, how much duration to experiment and how much time to write..........given one takes 2-3 months even to get 1 paper refereed by editors and sent back/ accepted....fF 2-3 such exceptions always exist......that does not mean all should start whinning and crying.............Such talented exceptions/ individuals are always desired to be in society, to evaluate one's moral and ethics/ values/ conduct to compare against standard mis-conduct and evils..........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-33588337446908923712009-12-16T10:31:55.093+05:302009-12-16T10:31:55.093+05:30I just learnt about this episode of Professor Suma...I just learnt about this episode of Professor Suman Chakraborthy. I was quite shocked as I have heard Professor Chakraborthy speak on his work and thus know a little bit of his work and publication profile. <br /><br />I think he is an outstanding scientist and has published remarkably well. As long as they are his own papers and if he includes an earlier paper in a report it is no crime. The committee looking into it can set aside that paper and look at the remaining he published during the SJ period. Going by this criterion he still would come out way ahead. I think young and performing scientists should be encouraged and this kind of knit picking is not constructive. I only hope the scientific establishment goes after funds given to nonperformers and hold them accountable.S Ramasesha, IIScnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-34788988354852028582009-12-14T12:16:47.413+05:302009-12-14T12:16:47.413+05:30@Abi "These are not onerous, as penalties go ...@Abi "These are not onerous, as penalties go -- and I believe this (minor) penalty fits the (minor) offence that has been established."<br /><br />I am surprised that you view withdrawal of SJ as a "minor" penalty. <br />Personally, I feel NO OFEENCE has been done. What he reported is his OWN work - niether falsification, nor plagiarism. As Abi himself points out, it's a common practice worldwide to take your research to a certain level before applying for funds. If DST really wanted to send out the right signals, they should have reprimanded him and disontinue funding him for 1-3 yrs. By stripping him of SJ, they are unnecessarily trying to flex their muscles and sending out wrong signals.<br /><br />I wish entire academic and scientific community rallies behind Suman. But given the jealousies that people are talking about and teh fact that everyone there depends on DST for their own funding, I am not too sure if we will see too many people speakign up in his support.sarodplayerhttp://www.sarod.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-51251673086569449942009-12-13T00:18:11.543+05:302009-12-13T00:18:11.543+05:30When I first read the title, I was (1) shocked and...When I first read the title, I was (1) shocked and (2) thinking - does this explain his amazing productivity... does he plagiarize? I am among those who have been looking at his output with awe, admiration and an iota of disbelief. After reading this blog as well as the Telegraph article, it was shocking to see that such a minor thing could be blown up like this. I would love to see that DST report to see exactly how the 2005 paper is presented. Hope Suman will ignore this bullshit and continue to produce.<br />Disclosure: I have met Suman once and the DST secretary, T. Ramasami once :-)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05169811142514791439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-50417318761705028952009-12-10T21:37:51.954+05:302009-12-10T21:37:51.954+05:30could prof.Abi.. spend time for blogs during offic...could prof.Abi.. spend time for blogs during official hours ? whether is it admissible as per govt of india rules and regulations for conducting blogs and forums and have discussions on social matter other than science and clarify. We are also researchers in govt of india, we have started a e-forum, people started writing about the facts , agonies, frauds etc in the organisation, now management (admn) has threatened us to stop the e-forum for airing public views on social matter and issued OM to some of us. kindly help us or indicate how to go about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-88270201976326383952009-12-10T09:02:13.371+05:302009-12-10T09:02:13.371+05:30Well to keep it short, I didnt expect such academi...Well to keep it short, I didnt expect such academic mudslinging from a professor of your stature, or from the DST officials.<br /><br />Academicians should stick to academics and Politicians to politics...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-27097990339662320462009-12-08T21:33:15.084+05:302009-12-08T21:33:15.084+05:30Somebody plagiarises others' thesis and books ...Somebody plagiarises others' thesis and books for their PhD thesis and get their Degree. When it is complained with evidence by somebody, the Univ/res-Org should formally form two committes first to is verify the facts (academic) and other committee should be ethics committee which has to give judgement on the findings.<br />It is learned that one Dr.Raghava, basically a mechanical engineer, submitted his PhD (in Chemistry) thesis to Madurai kamaraj University during 1995 and he was awarded PhD degree in Chemistry during 1996. He applied for Director post for CECRI, Karaikudi. he was appointed as Director in 1998. Somebody (a Alumini of IISc and a senior scientist at CECRI) complained to madurai kamaraj university with evidences that Raghavan has plagiarised his thesis from One Dr.Shunmugom's theis, books and ISRO' Project completion report submitted by CECRI to ISRO.<br />The university formed a comittee consisting of Prof.Sivasubramanian, Prof Shunmugasundarm and Prof.Dharmalingam. The committee verified all the original evidences and they went to ISRO, Valimala and got the ISRO report from and verified it also. They submitted their final findings that Raghavan has plagiarised his PhD thesis. But VC of the University instead of placing the report before the syndicate and withdrawing the PhD degree awarded, he got a letter from the theis's examiner Prof. Sivan (dept-metallurgy, NIT, trichy) that the PhD theis is original and not a copied one as found by the committee. Dr.Raghavan simply escaped. Complainants made their appeal to UGC chairman, Prof. Hari Gowtham and he tried to intervene, but guided the complainants to take up the matter with governor of TN and Education Minister (DMK). Complaintants were victimised. CSIR did not take any action on the report.... But the action of DST is ... DST would have stopped the funding instead of stripping of the fellowship award.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-33991895629427946092009-12-08T20:51:28.614+05:302009-12-08T20:51:28.614+05:30@Anon: Looks like you have clarified the differenc...@Anon: Looks like you have clarified the difference in your own words.Abihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-30363431981348512632009-12-08T20:44:37.414+05:302009-12-08T20:44:37.414+05:30Prof. Abi, kindly clarify us between plagiarism (...Prof. Abi, kindly clarify us between plagiarism ( stealing other work) and the episode of Dr.Chakraborthy ( presenting his own work but...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-69288555426936602102009-12-04T10:48:50.861+05:302009-12-04T10:48:50.861+05:30"I would still consider an ex-IITian as the o..."I would still consider an ex-IITian as the one ... who has done his B.Tech from IIT after clearing JEE. Unless we have such Profs ... the quality and brand image of IIT's built over the past 50 years will go down the drain"<br /><br />Singh Saab, were you so egoistic before you joined IIT or was it after you graduated from IIT? NEWS FLASH to you: Many SJ and Bhatnagar winners did not do their B.Tech from IIT. JEE does not test research skills. People like you are a disgrace to the IIT community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-58646334799698202742009-12-04T02:03:28.453+05:302009-12-04T02:03:28.453+05:30There is no doubt that the present lot of teachers...There is no doubt that the present lot of teachers at IIT's are the ones who did their B.Tech from some regional colleges and M.Tech & Phd from KGP ..... I would still consider an ex-IITian as the one ... who has done his B.Tech from IIT after clearing JEE. Unless we have such Profs ... the quality and brand image of IIT's built over the past 50 years will go down the drain ....... M.V.Singh EE, 1977, R.K.HallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-5461082711783995742009-12-04T00:58:45.979+05:302009-12-04T00:58:45.979+05:30An and IITian and does not know how to do a TOPO M...An and IITian and does not know how to do a TOPO Marna... Shame... Every IITian is skilled to copy somebodies work and get more credits than the original. Here one is not able to copy his own work!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-83612351808244530212009-12-03T22:40:53.945+05:302009-12-03T22:40:53.945+05:30@Anon (# 17): WTF are you talking about? Ask your ...@Anon (# 17): WTF are you talking about? Ask your SJ-winner friend from IISc should change his friends. Or, at the least, join a different lunch table!Abihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-89657139489721310882009-12-03T22:24:17.215+05:302009-12-03T22:24:17.215+05:30Rubbish!!.Rubbish!!.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-22112258687493630782009-12-03T15:36:48.534+05:302009-12-03T15:36:48.534+05:30"You are absolutely right. As Indians, we hav..."You are absolutely right. As Indians, we have this crappy habit of fighting witin ourselves"<br /><br />Look at IISc. The real professors who publish are criticized so much within the campus. one of the SJ winners from IISc told me that if any faculty publishes more than 3-4 papers a year, he will be considered an outcaste in the community. He mentioned that he is under tremendous pressure NOT to publish. The reason: if someone publishes a lot, it makes others look bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-62380628829341961442009-12-02T21:40:08.001+05:302009-12-02T21:40:08.001+05:30Anon 15:
You are absolutely right. As Indians, ...Anon 15: <br /><br />You are absolutely right. As Indians, we have this crappy habit of fighting witin ourselves and enjoying the downfall of others. We have never learnt from the history and continue to be like in politics or in science. <br /><br />Sometimes I really wonder at the act of so called academician. It is disgusting for these SJ awardees to enjoy the downfall in such manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-6078323970305241452009-12-02T10:59:41.251+05:302009-12-02T10:59:41.251+05:30Chakraborty has been punished by DST for his overs...Chakraborty has been punished by DST for his oversight - consicous or otherwise. But in my institute there are people who took printouts of the telegraph report, went to offices and canteens and showed it to anyone who had an eye and an ear with unabahsed glee that Chakraborty got screwed and got his SJ withdrawn. <br /><br />I was diappointed that no sweets were distributed.<br /><br />I am bemused more because, those with the printouts are themselves SJ awardees.<br /><br />They go on to prance that this "punishment" shows Chakraborty's phenomenal research record is unsustainable. And he has copied papers, which when pointed out, is overlooked by editors. When I inquired why the whistle on such a serious matter is not blown, I didn't get a proper reply.<br /><br />Such cheap gloating soaked in spiteful slander by "distinguished" individuals across India's other elite institutes reveal only one thing: That many across Indian academia are jealous of Chakraborty for his track record. And waited for one slip from him to pounce and bury him forever. I tend to agree with the first paragraph of Anonymous in comment #10.<br /><br />Even the Telegraph report that you have linked carries different perspective on this issue, from at least another academic (Prof. Das from IIM). Yes, what Chak. did was wrong and unethical. And even the "exemplary punishment" meted out is fine. But opportunistic professional and personal bashing and name calling with printouts reveals only as academics we are no different from cheap politicians who ruin the country with lack of any moral values.<br /><br />Jai HindAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-73129101467856601802009-12-02T06:41:07.040+05:302009-12-02T06:41:07.040+05:30@Swarup: Yes, some of what you have said applies t...@Swarup: Yes, some of what you have said applies to research proposals in other areas also -- in that it's sometimes difficult to know what will work and what won't; so, one tries to word things in a way that gives one some flexibility when the project is underway.<br /><br />Just to clarify, Chakraborty's problem was not with the proposal; it was with the project completion report. [At least, that's how I understood it].Abihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-8387533642691916232009-12-02T06:31:14.257+05:302009-12-02T06:31:14.257+05:30@Ankur: Chakraborty has not been 'dismissed...@Ankur: Chakraborty has not been 'dismissed' (as you seem to have [mis]interpreted the news report). He has lost his Swarnajayanti, and the right to apply to DST for funding for an unspecified period. These are not onerous, as penalties go -- and I believe this (minor) penalty fits the (minor) offence that has been established.Abihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-70139031743544687262009-12-02T04:51:33.903+05:302009-12-02T04:51:33.903+05:30Slightly off topic. I always had problems writing ...Slightly off topic. I always had problems writing research proposals in mathematics. Often there is no question of accumulating data and if you get an idea that is it and one did not want to give away one's ideas ( this was after some bitter experiences). Otherwise what one could do was uncertain. So I tended to very non-specific generalities as research aims and tended to put published papers or preprints as evidence. I do not know how it works in other areas. Sometimes, there was no work or only preprints at the end of the funding period and somehow there were no problems, may be because the funding authorities went by track record.gaddeswaruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509075029154476375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-28875198823415265152009-12-01T22:55:16.385+05:302009-12-01T22:55:16.385+05:30I think the grounds of his dismissal are silly. Th...I think the grounds of his dismissal are silly. This is a project report, not an exam-paper which cannot be repolished after it has been submitted!Ankur Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411971742511540520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-90212972610394659282009-12-01T22:37:45.588+05:302009-12-01T22:37:45.588+05:30I think the poor guy is being victimized. IIT Khar...I think the poor guy is being victimized. IIT Kharagpur is famous for a bunch of do-nothing professors whose sole aim in life is to put up obstructions in other peoples paths. This is a "clerical mistake".<br /><br />Research projects are open ended, and sometimes, are conceived years ahead of a formal proposal or grant. You cannot draw neat lines partitioning various phases of a project. Funding agencies around the world understand this, specially, NSF and NIH in the US. I have no clue why DST has to be so anal about when exactly a project started and ended, that too for a fellowship, where the award is usually based on the abilities of the researcher and not the merit of the proposal (if at all any).<br /><br />Based on Chakraborty's track-record (a look at his web page will show that he is exceptional), I think the DST has more to loose with this than gain. I will not be surprised if in a few years, I open up an MIT/Stanford faculty roster to find Chakraborty's name on it: I sincerely hope that we (that includes Abi with his 420 references) don't drive good people out of the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-13213989546969243632009-12-01T19:15:12.278+05:302009-12-01T19:15:12.278+05:30@Nuteshan: I'm afraid I'm being misunderst...@Nuteshan: I'm afraid I'm being misunderstood here (probably because I wasn't being clear enough). Let me reiterate: as offences go, Chakraborty's is pretty minor, and as penalties go, what he has received is also pretty minor. Perhaps the 420 analogy rankles you, but that's effectively what DST has nailed him for.<br /><br />This post is not (just) about Chakraborty's misdemeanors. It's about adding my views to the 'debate' that Mudur claims is going on. It's also about the lack of suitable mechanisms by which misconduct investigations are carried out in a fair and transparent way, and their results are communicated to the public in a timely fashion.<br /><br />Whether Chakraborty wishes to offer a public comment on this issue (perhaps through his website) is up to him. If he does, and if I think it's pertinent, I'll certainly post an update.<br /><br />@Sunil: I have tried my best in interpreting info that's in the public domain. Remember, I didn't 'break' this story; it first appeared in a newspaper, so the charge of mudslinging is unfair. As I said in response to Nuteshan, this post is a set of observations not just about the Chakraborty case, but also about its broader implications. <br /><br />I'm sorry you feel that I have been careless. Please point out any misrepresentation in my post arising out of this alleged carelessness; I'll add an addendum / correction.Abihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.com