tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post2020637650504327021..comments2024-03-20T13:10:11.477+05:30Comments on nanopolitan: A contrarian view on the 'creamy layer' exclusionAbihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06790560045313883673noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-78501766429805651682008-04-18T16:38:00.000+05:302008-04-18T16:38:00.000+05:30"how many obcs do you think are class I or class I..."how many obcs do you think are class I or class II officers in central or state governments or psus"<BR/><BR/>Why "think"? Any data? <BR/><BR/>Kuffir's estimate of 0.5% is probably from the dark ages.<BR/><BR/>And as for his (very valid) ending question: "Is this, the creamy layer that should be skimmed off", the answer is "Yes".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-69420178656441875402008-04-17T01:06:00.000+05:302008-04-17T01:06:00.000+05:30by the way, I fail to follow Deshpande's take. How...by the way, I fail to follow Deshpande's take. How exactly does the Amendment purport to "change the social composition without compromising on merit"? <BR/><BR/>if, a guy with lower marks makes it at the expense of another with higher marks, then whither goes your merit? Now, to justify Deshpande's take that merit is not compromised, a case has to be made that the person with "lower marks" was dis-advantaged in some ways; hence, he is probably as meritorious as the person with higher marks whom he displaced. Just that, these disadvantages prevented him from securing those extra marks. <BR/><BR/>With that being the case, you need to ask the question, how is he disadvantaged? Whether disadvantage is ONLY "social" or "socio-economic"?<BR/><BR/>If the answer is social, well then, the "lower" strata amongst OBCs have a greater claim than the creamy layer. If the answer is "socio-economic", well, all the more reason to give preference to the non-creamy layers.Pratik .https://www.blogger.com/profile/16256614681825595819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-33930241595225114812008-04-17T00:57:00.000+05:302008-04-17T00:57:00.000+05:30I posted the same comment in Kuffir's blog. But le...I posted the same comment in Kuffir's blog. But let me post it here again.<BR/><BR/>0.5% is incorrect. Here is some data if you want to look (bear in mind, this is 2003 data):<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://mea.gov.in/parliament/ls/2003/03/05lmar2131.htm" REL="nofollow">Here is the link from GOI site.</A><BR/><BR/>total reservation candidates ~ 25%<BR/>OBCs ~ 3-4% of all jobs.<BR/><BR/>Assuming that 35% of the population is OBC (I am taking the figure quoted by NSSO, since I wouldnt like to believe the starkly inflated figures of 50% going round in pro-reservationist blogs or starkly shrunk figures of 20% in anti-reservationsit blogs), 4% of total translates to 11.5% of OBC.<BR/><BR/>i.e. 10% of OBCs belong to creamy layers. 10% of OBCs will still mean more students than seats available.<BR/><BR/>Pro-reservationists have a valid arguement that most of the country's wealth/jobs should not stay with a minuscule population.<BR/><BR/>now, why should the same argument not apply here?<BR/><BR/>Creamy layer should be excluded. Thankfully, the supreme court has spoken :-)Pratik .https://www.blogger.com/profile/16256614681825595819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-15725700801625689082008-04-16T23:56:00.000+05:302008-04-16T23:56:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Pratik .https://www.blogger.com/profile/16256614681825595819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9818962.post-43092281193733142972008-04-16T23:32:00.000+05:302008-04-16T23:32:00.000+05:30Kuffir's post:how many obcs have held such constit...Kuffir's post:<BR/><I>how many obcs have held such constitutional posts as that of the president (there has been none), vice-president (can't think of any, at the moment), supreme court judges (this is amusing), etc ?</I><BR/><BR/>By the same logic, India had a woman prime minister for a long time compared to most other countries. This means, Indian women have an easier time in politics as compared to say, US? <BR/><BR/>Such faulty self-serving logic can be used to justify/deny anything.<BR/><BR/><I>"how many obcs do you think are class I or class II officers in central or state governments or psus"</I><BR/><BR/>Why "think"? Any data? <BR/><BR/>Kuffir's estimate of 0.5% is probably from the dark ages.<BR/><BR/>And as for his (very valid) ending question: "Is this, the creamy layer that should be skimmed off", the answer is "Yes".<BR/><BR/>An "equal opportunity" society cant be achieved by creating marked inequalities with a certain class. If I am not mistaken, a recent post by you on how the "happiness" in a country depends on inequalities in distribution of wealth highlights this pretty well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com